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Should (lone) black holes emit gravitational waves?

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I understand this is a chain of dubious assumptions, but I'm not sure exactly where I go wrong with this line of thought.

Thanks to Hawking, we understand that black holes radiate particles. However, due to the low temperature, the particles emitted are mostly photons (as photons are massless).

Secondly, the quantum theory of gravitons isn't perfect, but is a good enough approximation in some regions. Now, if that applies to the event horizon, black holes should emit gravitons.

But now this is a purely gravitational interaction, and this should be completely solvable in Einstein's equations. (and remove the quantumness) So shouldn't black holes emit gravitational waves, and lose energy in the process? as far as I understand, in the GR model, they don't.

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There are no gravitons in General Relativity, and black holes don't evaporate in General Relativity (i.e. there is no Hawking radiation). The consequence of Hawking radiation, or something similar, being empirically verified, would be an empirical refutation of General Relativity, precisely because it doesn't predict this. Specifically, General Relativity doesn't predict that black holes will "evaporate" at all.

There's a semi-implicit subquestion of whether Hawking radiation predicts that some of the energy radiated away would appear as gravitational waves. I don't know, but it seems plausible. Either way, General Relativity doesn't predict it.

If Hawking radiation occurs, models of a black hole in General Relativity would be like models of an iron beam in solid mechanics. Iron beams corrode but the solid mechanics model isn't going to predict that nor the change in the relevant mechanical properties, because it doesn't model chemistry.

Could we adapt General Relativity into a different, but still non-quantum, theory that did predict this? Probably, in the same way we could have the iron beam's mechanical properties change over time "just because" from the model's perspective. My impression is any such theory would be presented as and, even more, received as an approximation to an underlying quantum gravity theory and not as a new foundational theory of gravity.

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If I understand this right, the question is going to be about quantum gravity, and since we don't hav... (1 comment)
If I understand this right, the question is going to be about quantum gravity, and since we don't hav...
purplenanite‭ wrote about 1 month ago

If I understand this right, the question is going to be about quantum gravity, and since we don't have a full theory of it, therefore it cannot yet be answered.